Legislature(1993 - 1994)

04/21/1994 02:00 PM Senate L&C

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              SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE COMMITTEE                              
                         April 21, 1994                                        
                           2:00 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
 Senator Tim Kelly, Chairman                                                   
 Senator Steve Rieger, Vice-Chairman                                           
 Senator Bert Sharp                                                            
 Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                    
 Senator Judy Salo                                                             
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 All Members Present                                                           
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT                                                                 
                                                                               
 Senator Loren Leman                                                           
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
 SENATE BILL NO. 185                                                           
 "An Act relating to the limitations period for assessments for                
 certain state taxes, and for collection, after assessment, of taxes           
 due the state; and providing for an effective date."                          
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
                                                                               
 SB 185 - See Judiciary minutes dated 4/20/93, 4/21/93                         
          and 4/23/93.  See Labor & Commerce minutes dated                     
          3/22/94, 4/7/94.                                                     
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
 Josh Fink, Staff to Senate Labor & Commerce Committee                         
 State Capitol                                                                 
 Juneau, AK 99801-1182                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered information on SB 185                          
                                                                               
 Attorney General Bruce Botelho                                                
 Department of Law                                                             
 P.O. Box 110300                                                               
 Juneau, AK 99811-0300                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered information on proposed                        
                      committee substitute to SB 185                           
                                                                               
 John Pilkinton, Director                                                      
 Oil & Gas Audit Division                                                      
 Department of Revenue                                                         
 550 West 7th Ave., Suite 570                                                  
 Anchorage, AK 99501                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered information on SB 185                          
                                                                               
 Ronald Bitzer, Senior Appeals Officer                                         
 Oil & Gas Audit Division                                                      
 Department of Revenue                                                         
 550 West 7th Ave., Suite 570                                                  
 Anchorage, AK 99501                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered information on SB 185                          
                                                                               
 Paul Sullivan, General Tax Counsel                                            
 Exxon Company, U.S.A.                                                         
 Houston, TX                                                                   
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition to SB 185                      
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 94-31, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 001                                                                    
  CHAIRMAN TIM KELLY  called the Labor and Commerce Committee meeting     g    
 to order at 2:00 p.m.  He brought  SB 185  (LIMITATIONS PERIOD FOR            
 TAX ASSESSMENTS) before the committee and requested Josh Fink,                
 committee aide, to explain some issues that Attorney General                  
 Bothelo recommended the committee may want to look at.                        
                                                                               
 JOSH FINK directed attention to a legal opinion from Jack                     
 Chenoweth, Legal Counsel, Division of Legal Services, on the                  
 retroactive application of the proposed amendments to limitations             
 periods for assessments and collections of certain taxes due the              
 state.  In his memo Mr. Chenoweth states, "A state may                        
 retroactively amend or repeal time limitations that are set out in            
 its tax codes.  While I cannot be certain of it, there is, in my              
 judgment, a high likelihood that the courts would not find                  
 retroactive application of the proposed modifications of the                  
 limitations statutes, as proposed by sec. 4 of Senate Bill 185, to            
 be unconstitutional."                                                         
                                                                               
 Mr. Fink also directed attention to a memo from George Harrison,              
 Director of the Legislative Research Agency, relating to a research           
 request on resolution of oil taxation disputes in other states.               
 Questions asked of those oil producing states were: (1) What                  
 statutes of limitation apply to actions by the state to recover               
 back taxes; (2) May the state increase its assessment of the amount           
 due from the taxpayer after an administrative proceedings is                  
 underway; and (3) How long does it take to resolve disputes.                  
                                                                               
 According to Mr. Harrison's memo, the three states contacted were             
 North Dakota, Wyoming and Texas.  Essentially, these three states             
 use the same process to resolve disputes as Alaska.  There is an              
 initial informal effort on the department and the taxpayer to                 
 settle the matter; if informal conferences fail to reach agreement,           
 the taxpayer may go to a formal administrative hearing; failing               
 that, the taxpayer may turn to the court system.                              
                                                                               
 Likewise, the three states showed little variation on matters of              
 statute of limitations, revision of assessments, and length of the            
 appeals process.                                                              
                                                                               
 Mr. Fink noted that on the statute of limitations, North Dakota has           
 a statute on assessment of six years, but that will soon go to                
 three years as a result of a "taxpayers bill of rights" recently              
 adopted.  In Wyoming it is five years.  In Texas it is four years.            
 None of the states operate under any other limitation, such as a              
 maximum limitation on the time the state has to collect an                    
 assessment from the date it was originally filed.                             
                                                                               
 Mr. Fink said on the question of increasing an assessment during an           
 appeal, none of the tax departments in the three states are                   
 prohibited from increasing an assessment against a taxpayer while             
 an appeal process was underway.                                               
                                                                               
 On the question of the length of time to resolve disputes, Mr.                
 Harrison said they found that in North Dakota a corporate income              
 tax case that began in 1980 was settled in July 1993.  The average            
 length of time in North Dakota is five to six years.  In Texas, it            
 is not unusual for a case to take 10 years to be settled, but their           
 normal length of time is five to six years, however, Texas noted              
 they have one severance tax case that has been ongoing for 19                 
 years.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 096                                                                    
                                                                               
 ATTORNEY GENERAL BRUCE BOTELHO, Department of Law, said that  in              
 recognition of concerns express by industry, specifically, the lack           
 of certainty and finality in the process of tax assessments and               
 appeals, Governor Hickel has proposed a committee substitute.                 
                                                                               
 Attorney General Botelho stated the proposed committee substitute             
 would reaffirm for the past the consistent interpretation of the              
 state with regard to how both the statute of limitations for                  
 assessments and for collection would operate.  It would, however,             
 provide that effective for tax periods after December 31, 1993, a             
 five-year statute of limitations on assessments which would serve             
 as an absolute bar to further assessments by the Department of                
 Revenue.  That way the taxpayer can know with certainty that no               
 assessments beyond that date would be issued by the department.  On           
 the other hand, it adequately protects the state in the sense that            
 current staffing and expertise in the department leads them to feel           
 very comfortable that the work can be accomplished within that                
 five-year period.                                                             
                                                                               
 Number 150                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RIEGER asked the Attorney General to elaborate how absolute           
 is an absolute bar in the context of differences of opinion versus            
 intentional concealment.  ATTORNEY GENERAL BOTELHO answered that              
 there are probably three circumstances where making reference to an           
 absolute bar would, in fact, not be the case.  One is if the                  
 department were to discover that there had been some fraud in the             
 filing.  That operates in any taxing structure to basically remove            
 a bar.  A second circumstance would be if the taxpayer willingly              
 agreed to extend the statute of limitations.  That is a practice              
 universally, and it has happened in the Alaska tax structure.  The            
 third circumstance is where there has been some major adjustment in           
 a federal tax return under agreements between the state and the               
 federal government.  That may, in fact, result in a revised return.           
 This would prevent, prospectively, the Department of Revenue, after           
 five years, from adding an additional issue for consideration                 
 having discovered it after the statute had run.                               
                                                                               
 Number 204                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked if a statute of limitations has ever been                 
 extended because of an allegation of fraud.  ATTORNEY GENERAL                 
 BOTELHO responded that he is not aware of any circumstance where              
 that has been the case.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 220                                                                    
                                                                               
 JOHN PILKINTON, Director, Oil and Gas Audit Division, Department of           
 Revenue, urged passage of SB 185 out of committee with overwhelming           
 endorsements, as well as passage by both bodies of the Legislature            
 this session.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Mr. Pilkinton said the personnel of the Oil and Gas Audit Division            
 has done an outstanding a job for the citizens of Alaska.  The                
 audits of the oil and gas tax and royalties of the state are a                
 complex gargantuan task done with some of the largest companies in            
 the world.  The clarifications proposed in SB 185 are reasonable              
 and equitable to the companies and to the Alaskan citizens.                   
                                                                               
 The six-year collection statute is the least talked about portion             
 of the bill; it is simplest to understand, yet with the largest               
 exposure to the state.  The existing law says six years from date             
 of assessment the tax must be collected by levy or by a proceeding            
 in court.  The proposed clarification in wording provides for the             
 later of six years after assessment or six years after final                  
 administrative or judicial appeal.  Thus far, only one tax payer              
 has actually raised that as an issue.                                         
                                                                               
 He said the department believes that taxpayers exercise their full            
 rights to all levels of protest without premature levies and                  
 collection actions by the division.                                           
                                                                               
 The proposed three-year clarification allows the division to                  
 increase or decrease an unpaid assessment that was previously                 
 issued within the three-year statute.  He said the division needs             
 to be able to adjust its original assessment as new information               
 becomes available.  The alternative language in the committee                 
 substitute would still provide the retroactive feature, but would             
 put a cap on the future of five years to make any assessment.                 
                                                                               
 Number 277                                                                    
                                                                               
 RONALD BITZER, Senior Appeals Officer, Oil and Gas Audit Division,            
 Department or Revenue, using a chart prepared by the department,              
 presented an overview on the audit and appeals process.  He then              
 responded to several questions from the committee.                            
                                                                               
 Number 036                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked to what level have any of the tax cases have              
 been appealed.   MR. BITZER answered that a separate accounting               
 case was appealed from the Alaska Supreme to the U.S. Supreme                 
 Court.  He added that the state won in that case.                             
                                                                               
 Number 312                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SALO asked which choice is made more often regarding the              
 taxpayer going to an informal conference or a formal hearing.  MR.            
 BITZER answered that the generally the taxpayer has chosen the                
 informal conference, but there have been a few instances in which             
 the taxpayer has directly gone to a formal hearing.  MR. PILKINTON            
 added that a third thing they have done is they have signed                   
 agreements with taxpayers whereby they start the informal                     
 conference process, and at any time the taxpayer felt uncomfortable           
 with that process, they could immediately go to the formal process.           
                                                                               
 Number 322                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN asked if in the process it is possible for the                  
 taxpayer to pay the assessment and appeal, and would that bar the             
 state from doing further assessments.  MR. BITZER responded in the            
 affirmative, adding that the position that has been stated in the             
 past is the taxpayer could pay the assessment and file a claim for            
 refund.  The claim for refund would then put a cap on the amount              
 that is at stake.  He added that option is still available.                   
                                                                               
 Number 381                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked if any taxpayer has ever refused to extend an             
 agreement that the department has requested.  MR. BITZER answered             
 that in the early years the taxpayers would automatically extend              
 the statute of limitations.  In most recent years, they have had              
 taxpayers who have refused to extend the statute of limitations,              
 which, he said, does cause problems when going through a three-year           
 cycle.  In 1979 Phillips Petroleum refused auditor's access to the            
 documents and litigation ensued. The case was resolved in the                 
 Superior Court in September of 1989 in the state's favor, which               
 granted the auditors the rights to review the company's records and           
 conduct audits.                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 522                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RIEGER asked how many tax returns per taxpayer they receive           
 each year.  MR. PILKINTON related that from 1990 to 1992, they had            
 11,257 filings for approximately 19 producers.  In addition, there            
 were 3,709 amended filings by the producers.                                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked how large a staff the division has working in             
 this area, and MR. PILKINTON responded there are 21 people in the             
 appeals section dealing with these cases.                                     
                                                                               
 TAPE 94-31, SIDE B                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 020                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. PILKINTON, using charts, summarized some key statistics he felt           
 would be useful to the committee in their consideration of the                
 legislation, and those were: income tax and production taxes paid;            
 tax dollars collected; number of audits issued by year; number of             
 assessments issued; number of taxpayers with cases in court; number           
 of taxpayers with open cases; and state auditors and appeals staff            
 that have worked in collecting the taxes.                                     
                                                                               
 He also pointed out that one line that was not on the charts was              
 that of 35 audits issued, one case is still in court and two cases            
 are still open, thus, 32 cases have been settled by the state.                
                                                                               
 Number 035                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SALO noted that in reviewing information from other states            
 relating to their collection of taxes, it appears that the length             
 of time that it takes to resolve a tax dispute is directly                    
 proportional to the size of that case, and she asked if that was              
 true in Alaska as well.  MR. PILKINTON acknowledged that was                  
 correct.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 042                                                                    
                                                                               
 PAUL SULLIVAN, General Tax Counsel, Exxon Company, U.S.A.,                    
 testified in opposition to SB 185, as well as the Administration's            
 proposed committee substitute.  The following are excerpts from               
 that testimony:                                                               
                                                                               
  "Retroactive tax legislation is wrong.  Taxpayers have a right               
 to rely on existing laws to conduct their business and to be                  
 protected from stale claims.  They also have right to timely and              
 uniform administration of the tax laws on assessment practices and            
 to procedural fairness.  SB 185 will violate these rights and will            
 change the "agreed upon terms" Governor Hickel refers to when he              
 talks about the mutually beneficial partnership between the oil               
 industry and the state."                                                      
                                                                               
  "By putting current taxpayers in jeopardy of increased tax                   
 claims for years long since passed, this legislation sends a                  
 hostile message not only to current taxpayers, but to all potential           
 investors in Alaska.  Those investors would have to ask themselves            
 difficult questions about the business climate and stability they             
 could expect once they've invested their money.  Tax stability and            
 certainty are important considerations when companies invest for              
 the long term.  Jurisdictions which provide stable business                   
 environments will be the ones who most likely will gain those                 
 investment dollars."                                                          
                                                                               
  "There seems to be some misconception that oil and gas                       
 taxpayers have somehow not paid the taxes they legally owe to the             
 State of Alaska.  This is simply not true.  Speaking for Exxon                
 alone, we have paid approximately 4 billion dollars in income and             
 oil and gas production taxes to the State of Alaska from 1976                 
 through year-end 1992, and we believe those payments were                     
 consistent with our tax liability under law.  The entire industry             
 has paid in excess of 18 billion dollars in corporate income and              
 oil and gas production taxes for that same period.  The total                 
 payments made to the state by the oil industry for that period are            
 significantly higher when you include royalties and other tax                 
 payments to the state."                                                       
                                                                               
  "You've heard various claims from the Administration on the                  
 amount at stake in time-barred claims if SB 185 isn't enacted, and            
 that the state will not collect legitimate tax dollars owed.  The             
 amount the Department of Revenue claims is any number it chooses              
 and it changes its numbers frequently.  I would like to point out             
 that many of the tax assessments issued to Exxon have been timely             
 issued and are not barred by the statute of limitations.                      
 Nonetheless, Exxon has objected to those assessments on the merits            
 of the audit issues raised and is attempting in good faith to                 
 resolve those issues with the Department of Revenue and the                   
 Department of Labor."                                                         
                                                                               
  "As I said last year and I will say it again, even if SB 185                 
 were only applied prospectively, which you can clearly do without             
 constitutional challenge, it would still be bad law.  It would                
 remove any incentive for the department to resolve tax cases while            
 subjecting taxpayers to new and overreaching powers.  The state               
 would thereby lose, the taxpayers would lose, only the bureaucrats            
 would gain.  SB 185 is, in fact, a bureaucrat's dream-come-true."             
                                                                               
  "Taxpayers and the state would be unable to close out tax                    
 years in a reasonable period.  The overburdened judicial system               
 would be further burdened with more legal challenges to the                   
 assessments and a constitutional challenge to SB 185's retroactive            
 application.  Finally, the department would be empowered to create            
 an unlimited period for tax audits simply by continuing to issue              
 excessively high assessments."                                                
                                                                               
  "Finally, I'd like to address another misunderstanding that                  
 has been perpetuated by the prior testimony of Mr. Cole and others            
 that Texas has provisions in its statute of limitations law which             
 are virtually identical to what is being proposed before you in SB
 185.  That is just not true.  The Texas statutes provide in Section           
 111.207(b) that when a taxpayer files a protest against an                    
 assessment, the statute of limitations is suspended, but only for             
 the amount of the tax at issue, not for other items, not for                  
 subsequent assessments.  The Texas statutes do not allow for an               
 increase of the assessments during the taxpayer's protest of                  
 assessments.  Furthermore, it has been our experience in the lower            
 48 states that once a state has issued an assessment for a                    
 particular year, they do not increase that assessment if contested.           
 It is either sustained in total or amended downward.  And, most               
 importantly, no state has ever changed their tax laws retroactively           
 as SB 185 would do."                                                          
                                                                               
 Mr. Sullivan also directed attention to a chart titled "Chronology            
 of Alaska Income Tax for 1978, as well as a five-page handout, and            
 he discussed Exxon's experiences with their 1978 tax year.                    
                                                                               
 In his concluding comments, Mr. Sullivan pointed out that Exxon               
 has, in every instance where the Department of Revenue has                    
 requested an extension, they have given it.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 450                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY referred to Mr. Sullivan's statement that once the              
 taxpayer protests or pays and files a refund claim, the department            
 would be free to go on issuing new or revised assessments forever.            
 He asked if that was also true in the new committee substitute.               
 MR. SULLIVAN answered that under the retroactive piece they would             
 be open forever and ever.  The five-year comes into play for tax              
 years beginning December 1993.  That would be the appropriate                 
 statute of limitations unless it is changed retroactively sometime            
 in the future.  He questioned what's different between the five-              
 year statute for the future and the three-year statute the state              
 currently has for the past.  He concluded nothing is different,               
 other than somebody now is saying they've got a problem with the              
 past, so lets change it.  He added that they have no issues                   
 involved with the six-year collection statute.                                
                                                                               
 Number 475                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LINCOLN referred to Exxon's 1978 tax case discussed by Mr.            
 Sullivan and she asked why they went through an informal process              
 for nine years before going to a formal hearing.  MR. SULLIVAN                
 answered that everybody wants to attempt to resolve things at the             
 lowest level.  When going to formal conference, in the State of               
 Alaska you do not get a trial de novo when going into the Superior            
 Court.  In other words, the judge does not hear all of the                    
 testimony.  The record for the Superior Court is set in the formal            
 conference hearing, so the formal conference hearing is much closer           
 to litigation than negotiation.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 531                                                                    
                                                                               
 There being no further questions from the committee, SENATOR KELLY            
 stated the proposed committee substitute would be circulated to the           
 various interested parties in the industry and SB 185 would be back           
 before the committee at a later date.                                         
                                                                               
 There being no further business to come before the committee, the             
 meeting was adjourned at 3:30 p.m.                                            
                                                                               

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